First impressions of 3L Fall

Posted by T. Greg Doucette on Aug 29, 2011 in The 3L Life | Subscribe

The old saying was “1L year they scare you to death, 2L year they work you to death, 3L year they bore you to death.”

Evidently I’ve become so skilled at procrastination that I’m just now getting to the “work you to death” part, because this semester is going to be crazy :beatup:

Yes, that's nearly 2 feet of textbook for just one semester -- and doesn't even include Employment Discrimination!

With the first week of 3L Fall behind me (NCCU Law started a week later this calendar year) and 1.5′ of books to read, here are some initial thoughts on my classes this semester:


After graduating high school with few accolades — and graduating from N.C. State with none at all — I decided I was going to be one of the most-decorated people to cross NCCU Law’s stage for graduation on May 12, 2012.

So I’m currently signed up for the maximum number of hours you can take in a semester (16 hours / 6 classes) and will be taking a full load next semester too. And I don’t have the option of dropping any of them if I stick with my plan to be blinged out in May.

Just wanted to throw that preface out there so y’all don’t think I’m insane ;)



Those of you who are long-time readers of law:/dev/null1 might notice that I had signed up for this class last year… and promptly dropped it when things got too busy.

The problem is that AppAd is a prerequisite for trying out for our Moot Court Board, which I’ve developed an ever-so-tiny urge to attempt even if I stick with the TYLA trial team this coming year.

Prof AppAd is the same professor I’ve got for Criminal Prosecution Clinic I. Seems to be a good guy, passionate about the subject and has a good sense of humor to keep things entertaining. He also appears to be very very very detail-oriented — which makes me feel better since I won’t be the only one raising an eyebrow when I see a sample appeal in two different fonts :beatup:



This class… yyyeeeaaaahhh…

Remember how I said I appreciated Prof Ks because he was upbeat about the subject?

And remember how I still hated Contracts because it was (i) so @#$%ing early in the morning, (ii) required, and (iii) the subject matter was more dense than a brick wrapped in a neutron star at the center of black hole?

And remember how I ended up with a C- in Contracts I and a C in Contracts II?

The first two items on that list accurately describe Tax so far: passionate teacher, required course with dense subject matter at 8:30am.

I’m praying I don’t end up with the third item on the list too…



MDG teaches this one, which is the only reason I signed up for the class — I might not have loved CivPro, but at least I knew the material when we finished! :)

Class has been challenging so far because the bookstore still doesn’t have the casebook so I only partially know what’s going on.2 The upside is that MDG has focused on teaching the concepts with hypos drawn from real cases, so the debates have been interesting and the class has been pretty engaged.

Not that we have much choice since there are only 9 of us in there, but still…

This also goes toward the elective requirements for me to complete NCCU Law’s Civil Rights & Constitutional Law concentration that I’ll have wrapped up this semester (assuming I pass :beatup: )



I’m not sure what to think about this one.

On the one hand, (1) I love constitutional law in general and (2) this is one of the required courses for the Civil Rights concentration.

On the other, I don’t think the professor likes me…

It could just be me imagining things of course, but the first time we met in-person was upon her request to come to her office (I had emailed her to see if she would approve me being added to the course even though it was at the enrollment cap). When I got there, she asked me to sit tight because she had to walk across the hall and talk to MDG about something.

3 hours later and I was still sitting there before finally deciding I had been punk’d :beatup:

That aside, so far the classes have been fun hashing out some of the nettlesome challenges facing the courts in dealing with the First Amendment. I’m assuming it only gets better from here…



Contracts IV basically.3  :cry:

Prof Sales sort of reminds me of the mad scientists you see on TV: very passionate, very animated, trying to convince the masses to take an interest in their respective crafts. He’s funny too.

But, again, this is essentially Contracts IV we’re talking about here. I’m trying not to go in with a too-negative mindset, but I don’t know how I’m going to make it through the semester in this class…



Not sure what to expect here — this class only meets once a week, and I had to sheepishly ask Prof AppAd if I could leave about an hour in for a required meeting I had with the law school administration :beatup:

Essentially this class will be teaching us how to handle ourselves in the courtroom when we’re trying actual cases under the Third Year Practice Rule next semester when we do the field portion of this class. Since this is what I want to do for a living (assuming I can make enough to pay the bills) I’m looking forward to the experience :D


So that’s the synopsis so far :) It’s going to be a long semester, but I hope / pray / expect it will be worth it in the end!

Have a great night y’all! :D


From the law:/dev/null First Impressions archive:

  1. *THANK YOU* :heart: []
  2. Apparently the folks at Follett (the vendor NCCU contracts with to run the store) noticed that the 7th edition was no longer in print, but never took it upon themselves to discover that the 8th edition was out. So we have 8th Edition statutory supplements at the store, but no 8th edition casebook. Needless to say that’s been on my list of complaints our SBA is dealing with… []
  3. I consider Business Associations to be Contracts III… []

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Aug 31, 2011 at 8:12 AM

Far be it for me to add to that pile or burden, since it appears that may be in need of a wagon or draft animal to haul it around, but there is a 2010 supplement to ‘North Carolina Crimes’. Don’t know that you’ll need it or if the seller made you aware of it.

Aug 31, 2011 at 8:52 AM

For the sake of my back, I’m just going to pretend you didn’t actually post that comment ;)

But no, no one said anything about it and there wasn’t a copy in the bookstore. How big is the supplement?…

Aug 31, 2011 at 2:21 PM

At the most 1/2″ thick.

Aug 31, 2011 at 2:21 PM

I took 11 classes in my final semester in law school and got my highest set of grades. So cheers to you for taking on a challenge.

Sep 1, 2011 at 9:29 AM

16 hours is definitely do-able! They stacked 15 on us 1Ls this semester. Granted- one credit of that is total BS organizing/time-management support. Here’s my noob question of the day- how do the courses you take equate to greater decoration on your graduation garb?

Just reading the title of that Fund.Tax class bored me. I cannot imagine being forced through it at 8:30am. Ugh!

I don’t understand how your ConLawII prof could wander off and leave you just sitting there for three hours! Wtf. Mental disorganization, maybe?

Ooo! CrimProsecution Clinic! That sounds exciting. I wonder if there’s any benefit to taking both Prosecution and Defense, if that’s even possible.

Sep 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM

They have different rope cords for all sorts of stuff, for both student groups and for academic achievements. If you do the Civil Rights and Constitutional Law concentration, you get a cord for that. I think they have one for both the Dispute Resolution Certificate and the Intellectual Property Certificate too (I’m 2 classes away for the DR one and 1 class shy on IP). Same for groups like Trial Advocacy Board, Moot Court Board, SBA, BLSA, IPS, etc etc etc — my objective is to have so many cords that I can barely move w/o them falling off ;)

I’m still not entirely sure what happened w/ the ConLaw prof. My guess is she forgot, and when she remembered she expected me to have done the rational thing and left.

Doing both Criminal Prosecution and Defense would be a challenge — before you can even do the field portion of the clinic, you have to take Evidence, Criminal Procedure, Trial Practice, and the class portion of the respective courses. It can be done, it’s just very very tough schedule-wise :)

@Va.: I’m hoping I’ll perform similarly well under pressure. I’ve got 3L-itis like crazy though :beatup:

@Tango3: Maybe if it’s that skinny I won’t need it?… :D lol

Sep 2, 2011 at 9:48 PM

I just finished teaching Elements with a 5th Ed. Needless to say, the differences were remarkable between the 5th (2001) and 6th (2007). If the Professor doesn’t show up with the Supp, you may be ok, but if it’s the same Prof who regularly reads this site…oops.

Wanna-be Lawyer
Sep 5, 2011 at 1:44 AM

I’m really hoping my 1L year isn’t that frightening book length-wise. I’m guessing jumping on textbooks at the bookstore ASAP is probably the best way to go about it all. As for clinics, I cannot wait. Good luck, only one year to go!


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