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How *not* to finish an undergraduate degree

Posted by T. Greg Doucette on Nov 12, 2010 in Randomness

Hi folks! :D

Time is a bit short tonight, so the draft post I mentioned yesterday isn’t going to get finished and I don’t have time to cobble up + proofread anything else.

So in its place I’m offering a tip based on this news article from the News & Observer: don’t do what I did :beatup:

New chancellor would make changing majors easier at NCSU
BY ERIC FERRERI – Staff Writer
Published Fri, Nov 12, 2010 04:49 AM (Modified Fri, Nov 12, 2010 05:24 AM)
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RALEIGH — By the time Greg Doucette realized he was lousy at studying computer science at N.C. State University, it was too late.

Doucette was formerly a student at NCSU. 'I enjoyed computer science, but I wasn't very good at it,' he said. (Photo by HARRY LYNCH - hlynch@newsobserver.com)

Too late to change his major. Too late to transfer. Too late to do anything except slog through with a barely passable grade point average. He managed by propping up that GPA with stellar grades in economics and political science courses – two disciplines he would have preferred majoring in if switching weren’t so difficult.

NCSU’s new chancellor, Randy Woodson, knows that Doucette’s travails are not unusual at the university. He wants to make it easier for students to change majors. The issue will be tackled by a task force looking for ways to improve student success.

Woodson hopes to reduce the number of students who leave NCSU not because of bad grades but because changing majors is so difficult.

NCSU incoming freshmen apply directly into their chosen fields. It’s a way to introduce students to major-specific courses early, assuring they have enough time to tackle all the technical courses needed for a degree in engineering, design, textiles and the like.

But if students don’t choose the right major the first time, they may be stuck in a discipline they don’t like or transfer out of the university in search of a new path.

Many of NCSU’s academic disciplines require targeted, specific coursework that doesn’t translate to other areas. Students who change course essentially have to start over building credits for their new majors, thus lengthening their stay in college.

NCSU’s six-year graduation rate of 73 percent could be far better, Woodson said, if changing majors was easier.

From fall 2008 to fall 2009, 1,109 students left NCSU while in good academic standing, according to university data. Many of those left, Woodson said, because they were in the wrong major and couldn’t transfer enough credits to stay on track to graduate on time.

“We’ve got really talented students, and they’re not being successful enough,” Woodson said. “We’re losing too many students because they can’t find a home.”

Other universities

This problem isn’t unique to NCSU. Across the United States, land-grant universities with strong programs in engineering, natural resources, design and other technical disciplines require a similar path. In contrast, a university with an arts-and-sciences base, such as UNC-Chapel Hill, enrolls students first to an undergraduate college before making them decide on a major.

In admitting students directly to their chosen field, universities like NCSU create a more efficient academic experience for students – as long as they don’t change their minds, said David Shulenburger, vice president for academic affairs with the Association of Public and Land-Grant Universities.

To ease the transition for the many students who do want to change, many land-grant universities are now adopting principles of a “common core” curriculum. Used more often by universities with an arts and sciences base, a common core is essentially a standard set of courses in English, writing, and mathematics that a student would take in the first two years. These courses are recognized widely, making it easier for a student to change majors within a university or transfer to another.

It may not be an easy fix for NCSU, where students start major-specific coursework during their first year. But at a time when students don’t want to pay for extra schooling, many universities are looking for ways to tweak their requirements, said Shulenburger, formerly the longtime provost at the University of Kansas.

“Every university now understands higher graduation rates and shorter time to degree are important,” he said. “It’s worth having the faculty sit down and wrestle with the question of giving students some flexibility in the freshman and sophomore years.”

Advising’s importance

If you’re a freshman studying animal science at NCSU, you’ll take general courses in math and writing as well as classes specific to that degree. The university tries to minimize the number of courses that don’t transfer, said Gerry Luginbuhl, assistant director for academic programs within NCSU’s College of Agricultural and Life Sciences. But students also must get good advice both when choosing a major and when they arrive on campus.

“Advising is so important,” Luginbuhl said. “Students, at 18, some really don’t know what they want to do.”

eric.ferreri@newsobserver.com or 919-829-4563

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SIDEBAR – One student’s story

Greg Doucette, 29, is now a second-year law student at N.C. Central University. (Photo by HARRY LYNCH - hlynch@newsobserver.com)

Greg Doucette, as a freshman at N.C. State University, signed on as a computer science major because he had some tech savvy and knew the field paid well.

But he hit a wall in a discrete mathematics course, which he failed. By then, it was too late to transfer into economics or political science because, either way, he’d have to take an extra year of courses.

Instead, Doucette took just enough of those courses for a minor in each. His GPA in computer science: 2.1. His GPA in political science: 3.0. His GPA in economics: 3.6.

He’s now a law student at N.C. Central University.

“I enjoyed computer science, but I wasn’t very good at it,” said Doucette, who became a student leader and eventually served as the sole student member of the UNC system’s Board of Governors. “I love economics and political science, but the tradeoff wasn’t worth it. A lot of the credits I had would not translate to anything useful.”

Staff writer Eric Ferreri

My Economics GPA would have been a perfect 4.0 if it wasn’t for me slacking in my Intro to Econ course my freshman year :mad:  At least I got an A in that Discrete Mathematics course the second time around? :beatup:

Have a great night y’all! Hopefully I’ll have something other than shameless self-promotion tomorrow! ;)

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“Yes, but…”

Posted by T. Greg Doucette on Nov 11, 2010 in The 2L Life

Good evening folks! :D

I’ve got a draft entry with a cost-benefit analysis of law school that I’ve been meaning to finish, and depending on how tomorrow turns out it might (maybe?) finally get done. But tonight’s entry is on a somewhat-related variant that I think (hope?) might be useful to someone (anyone?)…

…and at the very least I promise I’ll link you to someone else worth reading if you think this post is subpar :P

Last night I was one of seven students at NCCU Law to serve on a panel entitled “What is law school really like?” — similar to the panel I was on at N.C. State back in the Spring — where we spent a couple hours answering law school-related questions from about two dozen undergrads.

In the middle of the Q&A, a young lady asked if she should just go straight into law school once she graduates from undergrad, or if she should take a few years off to work first. And the first three responses to her question were all along the lines of “I can’t answer your question. You have to know yourself to decide that. Etc.”

It was a perfectly legitimate response, but one that I think strikes too much of a balance — to the point of not being useful. If it’s what you really want to do, my $.02 on the “should I go to law school right away?” question is of the “Yes, but…” variety.

Here are a few reasons why:

  • Life doesn’t stop for law school. When we’re in undergrad slaving away in classes, it’s easy for us to discount just how much freedom we have to do what we want. As we get older we not only rack up bigger financial obligations — cell phone payments segueing to car payments segueing to mortgage payments (segueing to student loan payments) — but we also tend to fall in love with a spouse or children or a combination of the two. None of that stuff goes away when you decide to go to law school. I’ve got a number of Legal Eagle colleagues with families and/or sizable monetary responsibilities, forcing them to skip class in an emergency or work a side job to keep the bills paid or take time from studying to be parents / husbands / wives. It’s a testament to their tenacity that they can pull it off, but many folks also conclude the wall is too high for them to scale so they never go to law school at all.
  • “Now” money is more alluring than “later” money. Dove-tailing off the previous point, having readily-accessible cash flow is a comforting feeling. I didn’t make much money during the five years I was a college dropout, but I was making enough that I could keep the lights on in the apartment and food on the table. Any time something went wrong I knew a payday was coming up that could replenish whatever I’d have to pull from savings (or, more often than not, pay on a credit card :beatup: ). Giving that up for a lump-sum financial aid refund twice a year coupled with a ban from the ABA on working more than 20 hours a week is a big lifestyle shift, and makes the transition from the real world back into the academic world more challenging than it needs to be.
  • Law school’s not getting any cheaper. Speaking of challenges, the combined cost of law school tuition / fees / books isn’t going down. You’ve not only got basic economic inflation but also two sets of market pressures driving up rates: the war between law schools to boost their rankings, and the inflated volume of applicants caused by the deflated economy. Even public law schools, the bargains of the legal education arena, will find their tuition rates going through the roof over the next few years as federal stimulus money runs out and states look for ways to balance their ledgers. The longer you wait, the more money you’ll be paying up-front and through student loan interest over the next 20+ years.
  • It’s not getting less populous either. Law schools are also churning out thousands of newly minted lawyers every single year. That’s not going to change — the population might grow or shrink a smidge around the margins, but it’s safe to conclude they’ll continue to churn out thousands of new lawyers. every. single. year. These are the folks you’ll be competing with for jobs in the legal marketplace. Time spent in between undergrad and law school could just as easily be time spent as one of those newly minted lawyers, building experience in what’s going to become your career.

As for the “but…” part, despite everything I just told you, if you’re the type to get burned out it’s probably better to wait.1 Assuming you did a straight run through undergrad (instead of pulling a TDot) you’ll be in school for at least 7 straight years from the start of undergrad through getting your J.D. Remember having that feeling right around the 5th grade that you couldn’t possibly imagine having to go all the way through the 12th? That’s what you’ll be going through.

I also don’t want y’all taking this entry as a knock on the folks who decide (or don’t have a choice) to wait on getting their law degree. There’s a tremendous amount of value in the overly-clichéd topic of “life experience”; The Prophet actually penned an entry on that very subject just a couple days ago. And I can vouch for that reality: even though I absolutely hated being a dropout at the time, when I finally got back into school it definitely made me more appreciative of the education I was getting.2 The work experience I racked up has been a great help with finding employment and deciding what I want to do for a career.

And it gave me all sorts of colorful true-life stories to regale people with at parties :beatup:

But as beneficial as my experience was in hindsight, I’d never wish it on anyone. It wasn’t fun. There were many many days where I felt far-less-than-enthused with my life, where I was, and where I thought I was heading. And you can get just as much “life experience” as an attorney as I got being a random guy who only had a high school diploma ;)

So that’s my $.02 on going to law school now versus doing it later. Take it with the usual caveats, your mileage may very, I could be wrong, no express or implied warranties of any kind, etc etc etc — and have a good night! :)

  1. You could also avail yourself of a 4-year evening program, where you’d go to law school part-time at night and keep the rest of your day for working or being with a family. []
  2. In fact my first semester back was also the first (and only :beatup: ) time I made Dean’s List. []

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TYLA! ::happy dance::

Posted by T. Greg Doucette on Nov 9, 2010 in NotFail

Just got my invitation letter today: I will officially be 1 of 3 Legal Eagles on NCCU Law‘s 2L trial team for the TYLA National Trial Competition! :D :D :D :spin:

Teams from North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia and Tennessee will go head-to-head at the regional competition in Charlotte from February 18-20. After that, if somehow by the grace of God we can finagle our way into one of the top 2 spots, we’d be going to nationals from April 6-10 in Houston, Texas.

Guess I really have to start paying attention in Evidence now? :beatup:

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From the trial team-related archives:

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Should I be getting linked in?

Posted by T. Greg Doucette on Nov 8, 2010 in Technology

Last Thursday I posted an entry about why I started law:/dev/null, which led to a back-and-forth convo on Twitter with Matt Hollowell of LexisNexis. Matt’s comment on that post raised solid points that I hadn’t considered back in the halcyon days of August 20091

…and also prompted me to seek some guidance from y’all. Again. :angel:

Matt mentions the value of LinkedIn, which also echoes a sentiment posted by Ruth Carter back in July on the importance of targeted networking. From my limited perusal of the site, LinkedIn basically seems like “Facebook for Job-Seekers”. And therein lies my conundrum.

On the one hand, I’m definitely a job-seeker.

On the other, I can barely keep my Facebook page updated regularly :beatup:

That’s the main reason why I’m generally far behind the adoption curve when it comes to social networks. I was obstinate in my opposition to Twitter, and didn’t cave in and create my own account until this April — 4 years after it was created, and 3 after it hit mainstream. Since then I’ve been on this rollercoaster of using it frequently and then not using it at all. The same rollercoaster goes on with my Facebook account: it usually gets used for status updates, talking trash with friends about ACC athletics, and setting up event invites for SBA stuff.

I don’t doubt for a minute that there’s value to LinkedIn; otherwise it wouldn’t have any users. But should I be adding yet another social network to my digital repertoire if odds are good I’ll only be a sporadic contributor at best? What are the odds of outdated info doing more harm than good? How many of my law student readers have LinkedIn accounts already?

Thoughts are appreciated, thanks y’all! :D

  1. It seems so long ago now! :crack: []

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Fall ’10 Status Update

Posted by T. Greg Doucette on Nov 7, 2010 in The 2L Life

Hey everybody :)

One of my friends at a law school on the other end of the country sent me a FB message pointing out I haven’t posted a mid-semester update for my 2L Fall semester at NCCU Law like I had done back in 1L.

The reason is that 2L year grade-wise is markedly different from 1L — where first year grades were 20% based on a midterm and 80% based on a final exam, only two 2L classes have midterms (ConLaw and Business Associations, which I’ll be taking in the Spring). The rest either make the final exam 100% of the grade or require various papers throughout the semester.

That lack of information makes grade entries like this one a lot less interesting ;)

But given how totally riveting my recent commentary on daylight savings time and Verizon’s mobile phone selection has been, I’ll go ahead and bow to the peer pressure :beatup:

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CONSTITUTIONAL LAW I
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There’s not much for me to say on this one that I didn’t already say after the exam. Constitutional Law is my favorite course and one of my favorite topics in general — even outside of the law school context — and it showed on the midterm. I ended up getting 35 out of 40 questions correct on the midterm, tying for 2nd place in the class (high was 36 of 40).

Haven’t had a chance to meet with Prof ConLaw yet to figure out what I missed, but maxing out the total points I can get on the midterm puts me in a good position heading into the final.

Expected Midterm Grade: A
Actual Midterm Grade: B+ (raw) / A (curved)

Synopsis: Just need to keep studying and make sure I can knock out the essays on the (4-hour) final exam. Given my track record last year, I doubt I’ll pull an A in this class — but I’m still going for it ;)

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DOMESTIC VIOLENCE: HISTORY, LAW & PRACTICE
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The subject matter in DV Law has been a challenge since the beginning, but as the semester has gone on it’s gotten slightly less agitating. There was even one class where we joined a section of Advanced Torts for a joint lecture on defamation vis-à-vis allegations of domestic violence, and I was comfortable enough to hold my own against the lecturing professor playing the other side.

On the grade front, this is one of those classes with numerous assignments for fractional parts of the final grade. The good news: I’ve gotten the max points so far for the community observation, class participation, and the annotated bibliography for my motion in limine. The bad news: the preliminary research memo for the motion was turned in late, so the A grade I had on that was dropped to a B+. And the “::shrug::” news: the remaining 75%ish of the course grade is still to come, based on the first draft of the motion last week, the oral argument on it next week, and the final motion due the week after that.

Expected Grades To-Date: A
Actual Grades To-Date: A-

Synopsis: Now that the preliminary draft of the motion in limine is done, the final should be easy to knock out. Not sure what’s going to happen with the oral arguments though. Hoping to finish strong.

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LEGAL LETTERS
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The grading for this class is unique. We have 4 papers due — a client letter, a research memo, an opinion letter, and a settlement proposal — with each one worth a total of 100 points. At the end of the semester, whoever has the most points gets the A and it scales down from there. So even though I got a 95/100 on my first letter, I have no clue how that breaks down compared to the rest of the class; I’ve seen both higher and lower in roughly equal proportions, and it makes me slightly nervous.

As for the memo and opinion letter that were both turned in awhile ago? No clue, because we haven’t gotten them back yet :beatup: We also haven’t gotten the required background info (medical expenses and such) for the settlement proposal, so this class is basically on hold for now.

Expected Grades To-Date: A
Actual Grades To-Date: ????

Synopsis: I’ll be glad when this class is over. The professor is interesting and I enjoy talking to her (she’s an adjunct who works as a public defender full-time), but this is one of those classes no one likes and we’re all required to take just because the ABA says so.

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EVIDENCE
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I’m totally lost in this class. It’s straight lecture-style with no assignments, no Socratic method, no midterm, nothing — basically the exact opposite of my learning style. I’m terrified about the final, and more importantly I’m terrified about how I’m going to perform in Trial Practice next semester when I feel like I’ve got only a minimal grasp on the Federal Rules of Evidence.

If anyone has any suggestions on an effective way to learn this material on my own, I’d appreciate it!

Expected Grades To-Date: N/A
Actual Grades To-Date: N/A

Synopsis: I have three weeks to figure out wtf I’m doing. Prayers are welcomed. :beatup:

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ZOMBIELAW (DECEDENTS ESTATES I)
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This class is just like Evidence, except in addition to being a lecture-style course with no assignments or any real class participation, it’s also BORING AS @#$%. Prof ZombieLaw is hilarious and tries to keep it as interesting as possible, but I seriously find nothing interesting about divvying up property after you’re dead. Maybe it’s because I grew up in a poor family that doesn’t have much to divvy, but it’s (1) boring, (2) tedious, and (3) depressing.

I’m basically doing the bare minimum to keep track of where we are in class, then will be using our pre-final review time to learn enough substantive material to eke out a C in the class. As long as I don’t have to take it again, I’ll be happy.

Expected Grades To-Date: N/A
Actual Grades To-Date: N/A

Synopsis: Caffeine can’t even keep me awake in here anymore. At least I know I won’t be a probate attorney after law school? :lol:

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That’s where things stand with me y’all.  My first final exam is ConLaw on December 3rd, only three weeks and my second-favorite holiday away :eek:

Hope all of you are having an excellent semester, and that you’re in better shape going into finals than I am! ;)

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From the grade-related archives:

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An hour with perfect timing

Posted by T. Greg Doucette on Nov 6, 2010 in The 2L Life

It’s a sign of how long this semester has been grinding on that I’m grateful daylight savings time comes to an end at 2:00am tonight, giving us an extra hour of sleep to go with it.

Even though these expanded DST hours have been in effect since 2007, I didn’t even notice when we fell back last year :beatup:

Here’s to a good night’s sleep and a more-rested day of studying tomorrow. Good night y’all! And don’t forget to set your clocks back! :D

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What could VZW be up to?

Posted by T. Greg Doucette on Nov 5, 2010 in Technology

For the past 2-ish weeks now I’ve been getting called at various hours of the day by Verizon Wireless. I’ve been with the company for almost a decade, I’m happy with my (lavish) phone service, pay my bill on time every month, enjoy my BlackBerry Tour,1 etc etc etc — basically there’s -0- reason for them to call me, so I just haven’t answered. My figuring is that if it was important enough, they’d leave a voicemail :beatup:

Well they called again around 7pm tonight, and one of my friends goes “You really should pick up, maybe they’re calling to give you money.” Implausible though it sounded, that thought hadn’t crossed my mind…

…so I called back.

And she was right :surprised:

Supposedly VZW was/is running a promotion “for certain customers, for a limited time only” to upgrade at my “New Every Two” discount 4 months ahead of schedule. I respectfully declined the offer because I don’t want to get locked in to another phone for 2 years when I’m hoping/praying for a CDMA iPhone to debut in January. She said that was fine… and in the alternative they were going to automatically credit me for one month’s free service, and I’ll still be able to do my usually upgrade in March :crack:

Then for the icing on the cake, she migrated me to a new phone plan that has unlimited minutes/text/data (versus my current 1350 minutes with unlimited text/data) that’s actually $10 cheaper a month, as part of a new 1-year agreement that will actually end ever-so-slightly earlier than my current 2-year agreement :spin:

Now I’ve mentioned my political leanings in past entries, that I’m generally a fan of business, I’m comfortable with companies making money as long as I’m getting a worthwhile product in return, and so on and so forth. But the soon-to-be-lawyer cynicism in me has to wonder what this was all about. Surely I don’t spend enough money to merit VZW just trying to keep me happy. I’ve never indicated a plan to switch to AT&T so that can’t be it. And even if they were trying to get everyone to upgrade to their new line of Android-based phones — a sentiment I’ve heard from several of my colleagues at school — they had no need to give me a month of free service when I declined.

Any of my less-cynical and/or tech-savvy readers familiar with the mobile phone market have any thoughts/insights?

  1. Even though I’m eagerly awaiting the iPhone :D []

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Why I blog

Posted by T. Greg Doucette on Nov 4, 2010 in Background

Good evening y’all! :D

Despite my chronic disappearances over the past couple months, we’ve been blessed here at law:/dev/null to still have a steady cadre of regular readers along with a (surprising) stream of newcomers.1  And since the recent blawgpocalypse I’ve been asked by folks in both groups what prompted me to stake out this particular piece of internet real estate — and I realized I’ve never actually posted an answer to the “Why do you blog?” question beyond a brief one-line reference on our “About” page :beatup:

So I figured now’s as good a time as any ;)

Without further ado, my four reasons for entering the blawgosphere way back in August 2009:

  1. Therapy: I wasn’t kidding when I wrote in the very first post that “law:/dev/null is really just my own brand of therapy to get me through law school. Some people exercise, some prefer gardening, some drink (a lot). I write.” My classmates have learned firsthand that I’m no shrinking violet when it comes to saying exactly what’s on my mind, so penning my commentary here lets me get it out of my system without subjecting them to something they don’t want to hear in the first place :)
  2. Curiosity: Even though the bachelor’s degree on my wall is for computer science and I created a niche web development company back when I was a college dropout, I was so tired of doing computer-related stuff academically that I never really got into the whole CMS / RSS / CSS / [pick-an-acronym-and-put-it-here] thing in my personal life :beatup: When I wanted to blog, I’d write a note and post it to Facebook because it required minimal tech work; there are 95 of those to date, and it’s where things like T. Greg’s Tomes got started. But with the acute shift from undergrad to the remarkably-less-tech-savvy atmosphere of law, I figured it’d be fun to experiment with a WordPress deployment and all the attendant web work that goes with it.
  3. Scarcity: I first got introduced to the world of law student blogs the night before 1L Orientation, where I stumbled upon Dennis Jansen’s blog and a few others… that I proceeded to read until 2am.2 One of the things I noticed while reading was that the overwhelming majority of law school bloggers I found were at T14 law schools, and none of them were in the southeast quadrant of the country like me (although Mariel is close). So even though I was greatly appreciative for the insights, I wanted to present a different perspective as a law student at a distinguished-but-unranked law school in the South. And judging from the hundreds of search queries on NCCU Law over the past year, I’m apparently not the only one looking for that type of info before starting law school ;)
  4. Keeping in touch: I couldn’t come up with a cute one-word-ending-in-y description for this one :beatup:  Despite an absurd level of shyness that I have to mentally force myself to ignore, I’m generally a pretty sociable guy. But I’m also a Type A workaholic who took my first bona fide vacation in years just this past Independence Day, and it’s really easy for me to lose touch with people in the process.3 The biggest appeal to starting law:/dev/null was creating a way to let folks know what I was up to and that I was still thinking about them, even if I didn’t have an opportunity to get lunch or talk at length on the phone. I’m not sure how well it’s worked so far but hopefully the folks who are important to me know that ::fingers crossed::

So there you have it folks, a quick glance into the mind of TDot4 and the motivations behind law:/dev/null :)

I hope all of you have a fantastic night, and a great soon-to-be weekend! :D

  1. *THANK YOU* to all of you :heart: []
  2. Hours after I was supposed to go to bed, and the catalyst for the ensuing hilarity/embarrassment during that first day of Orientation :beatup: []
  3. It’s also one of the central reasons why I use thousands of text messages every month, peaking at 10,821 not too long ago — or 1 text message every 4 minutes for an entire month :surprised: []
  4. No “TMI” comments on this post :P []

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3 things every law student should have

Posted by T. Greg Doucette on Nov 3, 2010 in The 2L Life
  1. A laser printer
  2. A recycling bin
  3. A 12-pack of Diet Mountain Dew in the fridge

First draft of this motion in limine for DVLaw is finally done :spin:

Off to bed, have a good night y’all! :*

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Anyone heard of LSI or TFAS?

Posted by T. Greg Doucette on Nov 2, 2010 in The 2L Life

Good evening y’all! :)

I’ve had this backlog of entries I’m working on, but concluded earlier today they’re never going to get posted. Sorry :beatup:

Time has just been in short supply here lately. Back on Friday I helped judge the tryouts for the 1L Trial Team,1 Saturday was a rough day emotionally,2 Sunday was Halloween, Monday had class all day, today was class and Election Day,3 tomorrow’s got a dentist appointment then class then a guest speaker at NCCU Law, Thursday’s got a motion in limine due in the morning and a philanthropy dinner with EIC in the evening, then at some point Friday I might conceivably be able to get everything knocked out… at which point I’d probably be a few entries behind again.

So I decided rather than work on the backlog, I’d just let it all slide and try to get back into a one-post-per-day habit again for more than a week at a time ;)

On that note: have any of you ever heard of the Legal Studies Institute or The Fund for American Studies?

One of my professors forwarded me an email yesterday to check it out, and even offered to “nominate” me for the program (whatever that entails). But as I’m looking through their website all I see is me having to pay $$$ — something I’m not interested in doing, and don’t have the finances to do even if I was. I’ve also tried poking around Google for more information but have yet to find any comments or testimonials or anything from actual attendees that isn’t also sponsored by LSI/TFAS themselves.

Any of y’all have any insights or thoughts? Would this program be worth my time (and potential expense), or should I stick to finding an internship in one of the DA’s offices around here?

Comments are appreciated :)  Thanks in advance, and have a great night! :D

  1. I was impressed with the 1Ls, but some of the tackiness on display by a few judges really killed my interest in doing 2L/3L trial team myself ::sigh:: []
  2. Featuring a less-than-cheerful convo with 雅雅 []
  3. Looks like Republicans will be taking over both chambers of the state legislature for the first time since the late-19th century :surprised: []

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